Comments on: Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/ Unifying America for Freedom's Cause Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:20:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: tony http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-2684 tony Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:01:29 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-2684 on the subject of torture.... would you call a spanking torture?? what if it was done with a belt for fifteen minutes?? none stop? that would be beating right? it sounds to me like water boarding is a good way to get info... IF its not over done. its the whole line and balance thing.. there has to be limits.. but who gets to make the limits? ... on the subject of torture…. would you call a spanking torture??
what if it was done with a belt for fifteen minutes?? none stop? that would be beating right?
it sounds to me like water boarding is a good way to get info… IF its not over done. its the whole line and balance thing.. there has to be limits.. but who gets to make the limits? …

]]> By: Cavetrollhead http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-1551 Cavetrollhead Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:34:43 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-1551 I am with you Mac. Torture is just a matter of degree. Every punishment or interrogation is a matter of inflicting discomfort or pain- psychological or physical. It is just a matter of degree. I am offended when we are compared to Nazis and Al Aida because we water boarded 3 times in the last 5 years. These diabolical killers suffered no physical injury and their interrogation was considered a success in saving lives and prevention much worse misery. I am not 100% sure it is justifiable, but that is often case with any discomfort administered in punishment or interrogation -you aren't even sure you got the right guy. War is an especially dirty, ugly, horrible thing. The lesson here is if you can't bear the weight on your conscience, don't go to war! I have little patience for those who authorized the war pretending they didn't know how ugly it was gonna get. It's WAR Senators and Congressmen!!! I am also with you Hank- it is a slippery slope and we must be vigilant. I am with you Mac. Torture is just a matter of degree. Every punishment or interrogation is a matter of inflicting discomfort or pain- psychological or physical. It is just a matter of degree. I am offended when we are compared to Nazis and Al Aida because we water boarded 3 times in the last 5 years. These diabolical killers suffered no physical injury and their interrogation was considered a success in saving lives and prevention much worse misery.

I am not 100% sure it is justifiable, but that is often case with any discomfort administered in punishment or interrogation -you aren’t even sure you got the right guy. War is an especially dirty, ugly, horrible thing. The lesson here is if you can’t bear the weight on your conscience, don’t go to war! I have little patience for those who authorized the war pretending they didn’t know how ugly it was gonna get. It’s WAR Senators and Congressmen!!!

I am also with you Hank- it is a slippery slope and we must be vigilant.

]]> By: Mac http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-1549 Mac Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:22:07 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-1549 I don't think waterboarding is torture unless it is overdone. You can go overboard with anything. We have to find a balance but we have to be able to get information. I don’t think waterboarding is torture unless it is overdone. You can go overboard with anything. We have to find a balance but we have to be able to get information.

]]> By: Hank http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-1548 Hank Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:18:47 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-1548 I don't think we should give prisoners of war every Constitutional right but I think we should definitely not torture them. It would start a cycle that wouldn't end until we all hit bottom on that slippery slope. I don’t think we should give prisoners of war every Constitutional right but I think we should definitely not torture them. It would start a cycle that wouldn’t end until we all hit bottom on that slippery slope.

]]> By: Cavetrollhead http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-1541 Cavetrollhead Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:49:00 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-1541 Actually Jesse, I do think everyone should have the same rights. In a perfect world that would be the case. But can you imagine trying to give every prisoner of war a trial before his peers in order for him to remain captive? It is a logistical impossibility we could not survive a war like that. That is one of many examples of why we don't necessarily afford foreigners constitutional rights -especially enemy combatants. It is a difficult task to just give US citizens constitutional rights. We don't in all cases. The first big lesson I learned when I joined the Navy in 1985, is that I had no constitutional rights, but I was governed by the UCMJ. We haven't even been able to secure constitutional rights for our own soldiers, sailors and marines. Why? War cannot afford it to us. Idealism is not a working principle for all situations. Sometimes we have to choose the lesser of two evils. We get our hands dirty. That is the nature of war. We have to be guided by conscience rather than laws or principles, when the principle of the lesser of two evils is involved. Actually Jesse, I do think everyone should have the same rights. In a perfect world that would be the case. But can you imagine trying to give every prisoner of war a trial before his peers in order for him to remain captive? It is a logistical impossibility we could not survive a war like that. That is one of many examples of why we don’t necessarily afford foreigners constitutional rights -especially enemy combatants. It is a difficult task to just give US citizens constitutional rights. We don’t in all cases. The first big lesson I learned when I joined the Navy in 1985, is that I had no constitutional rights, but I was governed by the UCMJ. We haven’t even been able to secure constitutional rights for our own soldiers, sailors and marines. Why? War cannot afford it to us.
Idealism is not a working principle for all situations. Sometimes we have to choose the lesser of two evils. We get our hands dirty. That is the nature of war. We have to be guided by conscience rather than laws or principles, when the principle of the lesser of two evils is involved.

]]> By: Roy Bischoff http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-1540 Roy Bischoff Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:36:50 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-1540 I can't draw a line between psychological torture and physical torture. I have noticed a trend in TV and movies that seems to try to get us to be sympathetic to torture. How many times have you seen this scenario? There is a really evil character that does really mean and nasty things and then you have a good guy, often in a position of authority, that uses just a little more (sometimes a lot more) force than what is necessary to apprehend the bad guy or get information from him and we are made to feel that justice was served. The people in Hollywood also have the ability to get people sympathetic to criminals. For example I watched a movie about a jewel thief who hid his stolen object in a building under construction. When he gets away with his stolen property at the end of the movie, the audience is very sympathetic. This is part of the reason the Muslim people consider us the great Satan. Okay, so I got way off the subject. I can’t draw a line between psychological torture and physical torture. I have noticed a trend in TV and movies that seems to try to get us to be sympathetic to torture. How many times have you seen this scenario? There is a really evil character that does really mean and nasty things and then you have a good guy, often in a position of authority, that uses just a little more (sometimes a lot more) force than what is necessary to apprehend the bad guy or get information from him and we are made to feel that justice was served.
The people in Hollywood also have the ability to get people sympathetic to criminals. For example I watched a movie about a jewel thief who hid his stolen object in a building under construction. When he gets away with his stolen property at the end of the movie, the audience is very sympathetic. This is part of the reason the Muslim people consider us the great Satan.
Okay, so I got way off the subject.

]]> By: Jesse http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-1536 Jesse Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:36:20 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-1536 I was talking about cruel and unusual punishment. I know most people don't think any rights should be given to non-Americans but I think they are founded on good solid reasoning. America needs to be an example to all countries for humane treatment. The show 24 really got people to get behind torture. I was talking about cruel and unusual punishment. I know most people don’t think any rights should be given to non-Americans but I think they are founded on good solid reasoning. America needs to be an example to all countries for humane treatment. The show 24 really got people to get behind torture.

]]> By: Cavetrollhead http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-1528 Cavetrollhead Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:04:16 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-1528 I can respect that Jesse. But the constitution doesn't mention torture I don't believe. Are you talking about cruel and unusual punishment? If you are talking about cruel and unusual punishment- this isn't a punishment. And these are prisoners of war, so I think the Geneva convention, or UCMJ of something else would be the governing law. When I was in the military they gassed me with tear gas and I had no choice but to do it- unless I wanted to be up all night getting thrashed (exercised mercilessly instead of sleeping when you are already living on 5 hours of sleep) and have to endure more weeks of basic. Our intelligence officers get water boarded in their training. It seems to me that a terrorist can be expected to endure what we service men are. There is no injury and no risk of death. And if our servicemen are not given the full protection of the constitution, but rather the UCMJ, why should a terrorist enemy deserve better? I think for people who blow up, kill, mame an inflict immeasurable suffering to innocent, civilian men women and children, this is an acceptable means if it prevents this suffering. As pertains to this video, I just don't think that a Presidential Candidate should be carrying on this debate before the world when it is sure to ignite passions against us. But I will give you the slippery slope idea. It is a dangerous precedent. I can respect that Jesse. But the constitution doesn’t mention torture I don’t believe. Are you talking about cruel and unusual punishment?

If you are talking about cruel and unusual punishment- this isn’t a punishment. And these are prisoners of war, so I think the Geneva convention, or UCMJ of something else would be the governing law.

When I was in the military they gassed me with tear gas and I had no choice but to do it- unless I wanted to be up all night getting thrashed (exercised mercilessly instead of sleeping when you are already living on 5 hours of sleep) and have to endure more weeks of basic. Our intelligence officers get water boarded in their training. It seems to me that a terrorist can be expected to endure what we service men are. There is no injury and no risk of death. And if our servicemen are not given the full protection of the constitution, but rather the UCMJ, why should a terrorist enemy deserve better?

I think for people who blow up, kill, mame an inflict immeasurable suffering to innocent, civilian men women and children, this is an acceptable means if it prevents this suffering.

As pertains to this video, I just don’t think that a Presidential Candidate should be carrying on this debate before the world when it is sure to ignite passions against us.

But I will give you the slippery slope idea. It is a dangerous precedent.

]]> By: Jesse http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-1520 Jesse Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:08:30 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-1520 After reading everything that went on here yesterday this video was a perfect ending to it. Mitt had no choice but we aren't in the same position he is. Even as a Ron Paul supporter I can see that. I don't blame the man. If I wasn't going to write in Ron I would definitely write in Romney. Yup Cave, I've got a problem with water boarding. Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile and it says no torture in the Constitution so I say let's follow it. After reading everything that went on here yesterday this video was a perfect ending to it. Mitt had no choice but we aren’t in the same position he is. Even as a Ron Paul supporter I can see that. I don’t blame the man. If I wasn’t going to write in Ron I would definitely write in Romney.

Yup Cave, I’ve got a problem with water boarding. Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take a mile and it says no torture in the Constitution so I say let’s follow it.

]]> By: Stumpy http://ingodwetrustblog.com/humor/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-1518 Stumpy Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:59:41 +0000 http://ingodwetrustblog.com/2008/02/16/glenn-beck-and-ann-coulter/#comment-1518 I always wanted to pepper the earth but thanks anyway Cave. And thanks for yer spam. Like I always say - if it aint spam than it aint ham. I always wanted to pepper the earth but thanks anyway Cave. And thanks for yer spam. Like I always say – if it aint spam than it aint ham.

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