20 February 2008
Kosovo and Serbia
Posted by Terrie Soberg under: World Affairs .
We received this comment on Roy’s Kosovo post and I am posting it here as a blog item. Vlajko is from Serbia and brings an entirely new point of view for us to see. A quick perusal of the internet shows that there is some truth in what he says. We know that we are not told all of the facts by the media or our government. We can all benefit from expanding our horizons and can meet new friends in the process. I have moved all of the comments under his to this post as well. Please welcome Vlajko and others who may join us in this post.
Greeting, democratic brothers of USA…This is my first post here.I am from Serbia.I was looking for some forums or blogs where I can tell my feelings and opinions about current situation in my country aka Serbia.
USA and other countries have made a big mistake recognizing Kosovo as independent state.It is against law and against justice.I feel terrible this days.The justice is on our side but the force and power are on the wrong side (Kosovo Albanians helped by USA).
On the other side I think that nothing would change because nobody listens to my small but great country.From 14th century Albanians is killing Serbs there and forcing them to migrate in other parts of Serbia.The proportion Serbs:Albanians at Kosovo in 1900 was 50:50.But during the WW1,WW2 and communist regime held by Croat Tito Albanians become majority and in 1981 is proportion 10:90 or 9 times more Albanians than Serbs.And that was natural that 2 million Serbs 1989 at Gazimestan support Slobodan Milosevic and his statement:No one can repress you. But this guy was cheating on every election during the 90s,he had no Serbian people support in that decade.NATO bombed the whole one nation because of one man.NATO aggression in 1999 was very evil and mean.Since that no Serb is safe in Kosovo and I could not believe that the independence will bring peace(like Bush says,but it will bring coal to world leaders).
The prime minister of so called Kosova Republic Hasim Taci was a leader of terroristic movement UCK(Liberation Army of Kosovo?!) and he is responsible for dozen thousands missing and killed Serbs and other non-Albanians,also he is responsible for hundreds of thousands Serbian fugitives from Kosovo.He had a BIG SUPPORT from mujahedins from Close East who where sent there by Osama Bin Laden,the same Osama Bin Laden who responsible for killing innocent people on 9/11.How Taci can be a prime minister?!How he can be a democrat?!How he can be out of jail?!How he can have USA support,the same USA who learned us democracy?!
We don’t want to brush your brain but we just want to ask you to watch things and situation at Kosovo on both sides.Serbs are not angles like no other in the world.Serbs were also killing innocent Albanians,but it hurts when this is showed like the only truth.The Serbs were killed also.
Sorry on my bad English,I hope that I have touched the point and I hope you have understood it.
Good day to you all…
24 Comments so far...
Terrie Soberg Says:
20 February 2008 at 12:01 pm.
Ghost Says:
19 February 2008 at 8:11 pm.
Whoah, has anyone seen this buried down here? This is fascinating and should be where more people will see it. Vlajko, I am glad you posted here. It is very interesting to read your feelings on a very touchy situation. Good luck with what you and your family are going through.
Joy Bischoff Says:
19 February 2008 at 8:23 pm.
I am very sad and feel hurt for your people when I read your words, Vlajko. Please do not feel bad about your English. You do very well. It is wonderful that you know another language. It is very wrong that this is the first time I am hearing your side to the story. I wish the media was more fair in reporting. Thank you for posting here and please feel free to do it again.
Roy Bischoff Says:
19 February 2008 at 9:27 pm.
Thanks for the inside information on Kosovo. I am not sure exactly how this fits in with our purpose, but we need to educate ourselves on what our country is doing in the world and we should be taking a look at both sides. Sometimes our government does things that they shouldn’t and we should hold them accountable.
Cavetrollhead Says:
19 February 2008 at 11:21 pm.
So, since no-one has answered my questions on this blog, I want to ask Vlajko.
Isn’t Kosovo a Muslim country? Could it be the US is trying to impress and win friends with Muslims around the world?
Please forgive my ignorance on the matter. I guess I just don’t have the time to research this.
And Vlajko, as far as Putin goes, what do you think of him? He makes me very nervous.
Joy Bischoff Says:
20 February 2008 at 12:06 am.
Cave, yes Kosovo is Muslim. I am afraid there may be something to what Vlajko is saying. Let’s say that the Mexicans in California, AZ, NV, NM and TX rise up and demand the land be given to them as the country of Aztland. They are fighting very hard for this to happen. The international community decides that since there is such a high concentration of Mexicans there, then they have the right to break away from America and have their our country. How would we feel about that? From what I understand, there has been violence on both sides but it seems there are Muslim terrorists in Kosovo who are targeting and killing Serbian Christians. It breaks my heart.
Joy Bischoff Says:
20 February 2008 at 12:08 am.
I want to add one more thing. We see that three different people have signed up for our website from Serbia. I think you may be feeling lonely and misunderstood, judged by the outside world. I want you to know that there are Americans who would understand if they knew the truth. I know there are bad things that happened on both sides but I have been reading some things and I feel your people have been treated very badly and I am very sorry. Good luck and please feel welcome here.
Cavetrollhead Says:
20 February 2008 at 12:19 am.
Thanks Joy,
OK so they are Muslim. So do you think the US is trying to ingratiate itself?
You know, what you said about AZTland is kind of like what the Arab Muslims think about what NATO did to Israel- Isn’t it? (or was it the UN?)
Of course, the Holocaust and the ancient Jewish history were persuasive arguments for that.
Vlajko Says:
20 February 2008 at 9:54 am.
Thanks everyone who had read my lines here an who find something good in them.I’m glad to see that I have your support.Means a lot.
Sorry,for the late answering,we are in the different time zones,you know.
Ghost,thanks for your wishes,I hope that it would end ok for my people and everyone else.
Mr Joy Bischoff the right question is why you are hearing this from me or why the western medias are not objective?And thanks for the welcome…
Mr Roy Bischoff,yes my lines do not fit to the purpose,it’s true,but I want to give some information how the politcs of the big leaders break our backs and souls.
And now,Cavetrollhead…Kosovo is not a muslim country.Look,the full name of this province is Kosovo and Metohija.It is both serbian words.Kosovo comes from the word “Kos” which means a kind of a bird,and the word “Metohija” is used to describe the church lands and properties. “Metoh” means church land.So,just in the name you can see that is Serbian and Christian land and so the word “Metohija” is eliminated purposly because of its Christianic meaning.
There is no river,mountain,town,village at Kosovo and Metohija that carries Albanian name.The town of Prizren was Serbian capital at 14th century.
There was only a few Albanians.As you now the Serbs are the Slavs and they came from their fatherland(which was in todays Ukraine and Poland) to the Balkans during the 7th century.They found there Ilirs.You can hear that Albanians called themselves the descenders of the Ilirs,which is not true.They want to say that they are not pilgrims there and Kosovo is their land.But as you don’t know they came from Asia and were joined in the bands who attack frequently Serbs,Greeks and others.They had a lot of support by Turks,because they had changed their religion in islam,(Alah give more in the stomach than Jesus in soul.)
So it cannot be a Muslim country.
On the other side,the Russians had never helped Serbs during the history!!!
And I don’t think that would be changed in nowadays.Putin is good for the Russian people,but I don’t know his foreign politics.But it is certain that there is some trade between USA and Russia. And that is always because of oil and coal.
Thanks again for the posts and understanding.The next time I hope I’ll find some documents to prove this,but they are rare on English…
E.E. Says:
20 February 2008 at 12:56 pm.
I’ve been googling and have found some interesting information. I think the MSM has led us wrong on this situation. I will start with this:
The connection between the Islamofacists and the NAZI’s can no longer be denied. They(Bosnian Muslims & Albanian Muslims) even revived the old infamous ISLAMIC-NAZI WAFFEN SS TERRORIST HANDZAR DIVISION well known for it’s savage brutality towards the Jews, Christians, and Gypsies during World War 2.This is the same group of people the US government now backs in the Balkans.
This is a pro-Al-Qaeda policy put in place by the Clinton Administration and foolishly continued by the Bush State Department.We are currently aiding and abetting the same exact genocidal side that the NAZI Germans did back in World War 2 if that isn’t bad enough we have teamed up with Al Qaeda linked terrorist groups in order to set up an Islamic Republic or two in Europe
E.E. Says:
20 February 2008 at 12:57 pm.
Vlajko, I think what Joy Bischoff meant when she said that Kosovo was Muslim was that the Albanians there are Muslim even though the Serbs are Christian.
Matt Says:
20 February 2008 at 1:26 pm.
E.E. - I followed your link. Lots of eye opening info and pictures. I grabbed a couple more paragraphs from there:
“Awarded Bosnian citizenship and passport in 1993 by the Muslim president Alija Izetbegovic, Kosovo Albanian best friend and supporter, Osama Bin Laden, has plenty of reasons to smile these days over his successful campaign for securing independence for southern Serbian province of Kosovo.”
“During the Bosnian war we were constantly told by the media that the Serbs were racists who persecuted Muslims and fought against the supposedly moderate Bosnian Muslim government of Alijah Izetbegovic. Citizens in the NATO countries believed this media fiction about Bosnia because it was all they heard and saw, or thought they saw. And seeing is believing.”
Matt Says:
20 February 2008 at 1:31 pm.
I was totally behind Kosovo until today. I only put a part of this article but you should follow the link and read the whole thing. It is disturbing and the UN is in it up to their necks.
Extremist on UN’s Payroll
Croatian general accused of war crimes now on the UN payroll
Pristina, Kosovo – In their small office at the UN police headquarters in Kosovo, former Ottawa policeman Derek Chappell and his partner, Barry Fletcher, an ex-New Orleans cop, explained to me their frustrated efforts to control the ongoing inter-ethnic violence in this war-ravaged Balkan province.
Since NATO forces first entered Kosovo and Serbian security forces withdrew in June 1999, the majority of the terror attacks have been committed by Albanian extremists against Serbs and other ethnic minorities. The result has been the expulsion of nearly 240,000 non-Albanians from Kosovo, with those few remaining minorities polarized into isolated enclaves. This wholesale ethnic cleansing of Kosovo has taken place over the past few years, despite the presence of some 27,000 NATO troops and 4400 international police.
“One of the UN’s biggest obstacles to overcome has been the well-entrenched Albanian mafia who use the banner of Kosovar nationalism when it suits their purpose,” explained Barry Fletcher. “Whenever we arrest a gangster leader, he wraps himself in the Albanian flag, and the streets become filled with protestors. This is not a society affected by organized crime, it is a society based on organized crime.”
Since mid-November 2000, various Albanian extremist groups – based on the original Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA, UCK in Albanian) – have begun expanding their area of operations into neighbouring south Serbia and northern Macedonia. In these areas, which are populated by a large percentage of ethnic Albanians, the extremists have ignited separatist movements by launching attacks against the Serbian and Macedonian security forces.
Jesse Says:
20 February 2008 at 1:39 pm.
I’ve been fooled too.
Kvlajko, welcome and thank you for sharing the truth. There really is a ton of hits on google about this and for anyone who wants to know what is really going on, they can find it. I think the biggest problem is that Milosivich was so bad that we thought that was what Serbia was like. That was unfair. Here is stuff from one article:
AIM put together a list of the most underreported or buried stories of 2004, and one of them was the resurgence of anti-Serb, anti-Christian violence in Kosovo. Dozens were killed and more Christian churches were destroyed there. Kosovo got some attention near the end of the year when newspapers covered the fact that a former leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army, the KLA, became prime minister in a new Kosovo-based government. A story in the Washington Post, back on page 18, noted that he has been accused of “war atrocities” and may be indicted. Here’s the rest of the story.
Clinton’s 1999 NATO war in Kosovo was illegal under U.S. and international law. The U.S. Congress never voted for it and the U.N. never endorsed it. There was no claim that Yugoslavia had weapons of mass destruction or had ties to terrorist groups. Instead, Clinton had the U.S. intervene on behalf of the terrorists, operating in Kosovo under the banner of the KLA. They had links to Osama bin Laden. In fact, it is reported that the KLA’s head of elite forces, Muhammed al-Zawahiri, was the brother of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the military commander for bin Laden’s Al Qaeda. After the war, the KLA was transformed into the police force for Kosovo.
Clinton’s policy was not to bomb those terrorists but to support them and bomb the Christian Serbs. It should be no surprise that the anti-Serb and anti-Christian violence has continued. If this is the first time that you have heard the Clinton policy described in these terms, it is because you believed all of the propaganda about how the Serbs were supposedly engaging in the mass slaughter of the “ethnic Albanians” in Kosovo, and how NATO and the U.S. intervened to stop it.
Vlajko Says:
20 February 2008 at 6:11 pm.
Thank you all for understanding…
This the pictures of burned churches at Kosovo and Metohija:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPW4rhnbnpA
This had happened at 2004 when Kosovo was under UN authorities,and I could not believe that Serbs are safe there.
Related videos also says too much.
Serbs were very angry like today,they lit fire at the mosques in Belgrade and Nis.That is not nice but we felt injustice.
Today you can see the protests in Belgrade,in front of the foreign embassies and barbaric behavior of Serb protestants.And it increases the picture of Serbs being barbaric.You can find more about that in CNN.But on the other side,they stoled the heart of our country and nation, all our history is based on Kosovo.The breaking of things is wrong but it is nothing in compare what have been done to us.The whole international law was thrown into garbidge.
At the Kosovo there is 60% rate of unemployed people.But they are “employed” in organized crime like narcotics,illegal weapons,white slavery and prostitution.They are maybe the first in the world in that discipline.They have very strong lobby at the US,one of them Tom Lantos recently died.
And I want to mention that USA creates Muslim country to show the Muslims that they are fair, hoping that they give up fighting for Palestina,this is my personal opinion.
And like every Serb I must refer to the history…
The first attempt to create muslim country in Europe was in Spain where Francs beat Arabs.
The second attempt was sucsesfull…Four centuries later Serbian knights lead by Knez Lazar lost the battle of Kosovo in 1389.The winners were Turks.During 5 centuries under the Turks and their helpers islamizated Albanians and other islamizeted Christians and heretics,Serbs were killed,and forced to migrate to the Austro-Hungary,Venice Mletic republic and even Ukraine.There Serbs was the first live wall of defending christianity,and they fought and succesed.They create again Serbia at 1815 which gain independence 1878.But Kosovo was still under the Turks.In the Balkan war Serbia gain back the lost Kosovo and todays Macedonia and Albania.But on that territory pope and Austro-Hungary created the first islamic country in Europe,Albania.
The third attempt is also successfull and also across the Serbians back.Bosnia and Herzegovina and today Kosovo is created.
Serbs had done much to save the Europe from islam and Hitler’s nazi politics.In WW1 died 1.5 million Serbs(1/3 of whole that days number),in the WW2 died 2 million Serbs(1/3 too).
So there is no nation who suffered something like that in only 50 years.Serbs are the most suffered nation by islam.
How we can deserve todays situation?I can’t understand it.
P.S. I would like to apologize to Mrs(or Miss) Joy Bischoff when I called her Mr :-). Sorry, again…
Hank Says:
20 February 2008 at 6:28 pm.
This really breaks my heart. I am sorry this is happening. I think your theory about why the U.S. is supporting Kosovo is right. We are always trying to appease the Muslims. I’m glad you don’t defend the burnings but I can understand that your people’s frustration must be terrible. So much of the world doesn’t know the truth about you. I’ll keep your people in my prayers.
Pickles Says:
20 February 2008 at 6:36 pm.
Vlajko,
I watched the video and it made my cry. I can’t believe the media didn’t tell about this!!! Please come here and share with us the love of freedom. Most of us on this blog are Christian and we love you as our Christian brother.
Vlajko Says:
20 February 2008 at 6:59 pm.
Hank I am glad to see that you will pray for my people.Thanks…
Pickles I am glad to be called CHRISTIAN BROTHER, I can’t see big difference between Catholics, Protestants, Ortodoxers and others Christian groups.
I need time to find this video on youtube,it explains everything.I don’t want to bore you with videos but this video is primary,and I’ll stop sending them…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc
It’s very late in my country I must go to sleep,if I can,tomorrow is the big protest of all Serbs in Belgrade,and in Kosovska Mitrovica.I hope that there will not be destroying properties just dignity protest.See you the next day.
Joy Bischoff Says:
20 February 2008 at 7:03 pm.
I just read an op/ed piece that understands the real problem here. I am embarrassed that I have been so blinded. Instead of bringing the article over, I just copied one of the many comments beneath it that showed almost everyone that commented already understood what I have just learned. The comment:
“Kosovo wasn’t just a province of Serbia. It was (is) the cradel of their history, culture, civilisation. Losing Kosovo was far more damaging to Serbia than losing Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland would be for England.”
Vlajko, no problem about not knowing whether I was male or female. The names are so different in our country. I am Mrs. Bischoff and am married to Roy Bischoff. Many of us will be praying for you and feel free to share all the videos you want.
Bag of Bones Says:
20 February 2008 at 8:03 pm.
Hi everybody.
I,ve seen this topic about Kosovo, and whole situation thesedays,
and first of all, I want you people to know, that I appreciate
your will and patience to hear “the other side”. Thank you.
Want also to thank Vlajko, who startet with all of this . I don`t know whether it is too late now, but better now than never.
And for those who would like to read a beat more about cultural heritage , or historic facts, visit:
http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko/delo/11556
Joy Bischoff Says:
20 February 2008 at 9:23 pm.
It is never too late. We want to be a place where people anywhere can discuss our God-given rights of freedom and work toward understanding those freedoms and spreading them. This experience will make me even more careful to look fully into a situation before making judgments and even then, be careful. I am sure bad things have happened on both sides. What I did not know was the terrorist ties of the Kosovo government. I did not know that Kosovo was so historic for the Serbs. And I did not know the things the Albanians were doing to the Serbs, just the other way around. What a hard situation. Good luck and visit us as often as you want and keep us updated and join in our discussions.
We have a guy here who makes comments who goes by the name “Ghost”. Since you are “Bag of Bones” you two should get together and be friends 
. I better tell you that was a joke. American humor can be weird you know.
Bag of Bones Says:
20 February 2008 at 9:45 pm.
no need to teel, on the contrary, I do like black humour
Carrie Says:
20 February 2008 at 10:19 pm.
Wow this is so crazy. You guys from Serbia are welcome here. We will all pray for you and hope things turn out better.
Ghost Says:
20 February 2008 at 10:31 pm.
Hey people, did someone take my name in vain?
I watched those videos and they made me sick. It seems a lot worse because the media wouldn’t report on it. I don’t like being messed with and like most of the rest around here, I thought the people of Kosovo were the only victims. I was small during the war in the 90s so I didn’t know much about it.
Cavetrollhead Says:
20 February 2008 at 10:55 pm.
Actually Vlajko, my question about weather Kosovo was a Muslim country was not about history, but rather about the demographics now. So is population of Kosovo is mostly Muslim now? And Muslims are persecuting Christians there and so on?
In this case, my question remains: Is the US trying to use its support of Kosovo to ingratiate itself with Islam in general- maybe to get Iraq to calm down, etc?
Vlajko Says:
21 February 2008 at 4:40 am.
I think that I had answered on this two questions.
So I will just copy/paste them:
So is population of Kosovo is mostly Muslim now?
“1981 is proportion 10:90 or 9 times more Albanians than Serbs.
Hasim Taci….is responsible for dozen thousands missing and killed Serbs and other non-Albanians,also he is responsible for hundreds of thousands Serbian fugitives from Kosovo.”
I want to add:
There is only about 150000 Serbs at Kosovo and Metohija and 2 million Albanians.
This big number came from that the majority of Albanian families have in average 10 children and on the other hand the border between Kosovo and Albania does not exists and you can imagine how many Albanians from Albania migrate to Kosovo.You can also imagine the crime canals.
Is the US trying to use its support of Kosovo to ingratiate itself with Islam in general- maybe to get Iraq to calm down, etc?
“And I want to mention that USA creates Muslim country to show the Muslims that they are fair, hoping that they give up fighting for Palestina,this is my personal opinion.”
You can change there Palestina with Iraq as you like it,it’s all same to me.
Vlajko Says:
21 February 2008 at 5:04 am.
I want to thank to Joy and her sentence:
“Kosovo wasn’t just a province of Serbia. It was (is) the cradel of their history, culture, civilisation. Losing Kosovo was far more damaging to Serbia than losing Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland would be for England.”
If I have understand Bag of Bones is Serb?
Mac Says:
21 February 2008 at 9:01 am.
Vlajko, yes Bag of Bones is Serb. Hope everything goes well for you today.
Cavetrollhead Says:
21 February 2008 at 12:57 pm.
Thank you Vlajko, I just didn’t understand that “Albanian” referred “Muslims”
Sorry and thanks for your patience. I am quite ignorant on this part of the world.
HERE IS MY TAKE ON IT. I KNOW I MAY BE WRONG SO PLEASE IF SOMEONE THINKS I AM WRONG DON’T HESITATE TO SAY. I KNOW WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY WOULD BE CONTROVERSIAL.
It is hard for the west to understand what is happening here. I think one reason is that we have trouble seeing that Muslims in the east seem to first ally themselves with other Muslims before they ally themselves with a cause. They choose religious unity over national unity. They choose religious unity above specific issues. They will blindly choose religious unity over right and wrong.
We in the west on the other hand don’t band together as much on religion as on our own beliefs on a situation. Catholics stand beside Mormons on issues against other catholics and Mormons. This kind of religious chauvinism despite all reason, is fairly rare here. (Sometimes it happens. Some religious sects still tend to oppose Mormons blindly for no other reason that they are Mormon)
So my point here is that religious chauvinism is not as much of a driving force in politics in the west. We therefore are slow to realize that’s is what is happening in places like Kosovo. We try to look for other reasons to explain things and to justify the conflicts involving Islam. In the united states, Muslims are less chauvinistic so we don’t see things as they are in the east.
I am trying to speak without political correctness and bluntly to the point. I know it is uncomfortable but please disagree without venom.
Vlajko Says:
21 February 2008 at 5:14 pm.
http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko/delo/11556
Thanks for this amazing document…Anyone who is interested in true facts should read it.
Bag of Bones Says:
21 February 2008 at 8:42 pm.
@Vlajko, yes, I am Serb.
@Cavetrollhead, I think you`re right. But I`m afraid to say anything about islam
that could seems like hatred speech, and I definitely don`t want that.
You say that in US, Muslims are less chauvinistic. I think this is because:
1) You have low & order, maintained on a respectable level;
2) they are no majority.
See what happens when that`s not a case?
Again, I do not mean to offense anyone.
Mac Says:
21 February 2008 at 9:42 pm.
I think you are right about what you wrote, Bag of Bones.
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