16 February 2008
Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter
Posted by Terrie Soberg under: Humor .
This video was also on the Committed to Romney site, so I wasn’t going to post it. However, this fits our recent discussion so well that I decided to include it here:
15 Comments so far...
Stumpy Says:
16 February 2008 at 10:11 pm.
I aint sure whats sexier - that gal or the words that are coming outa her mouth. Mmmmmm
Hank Says:
16 February 2008 at 10:19 pm.
Seriously everybody, please watch this video.
Cavetrollhead Says:
17 February 2008 at 12:02 am.
You are right that is a good vid.
And yes Stumpy I have to agree with you. But I am a married spud I’m a married spud, I’m a married spud!!
LOL Stumpy you kill me!! You are the salt of the earth.
About that last part of the video, where she mentions the part about how McCain is hysterical about water boarding and wants to shut down Guantanamo; McCain has called us torturers in front of the whole world. What ever happened to United we stand? It is like Romney said, United we stand at the water’s edge.
McCain has suggested that we are no different from our enemies because we water board. Remember he did this before most people even knew what water boarding is? In fact I think most of the US still doesn’t know what it is. Just so you know, it does not even fall in the same ballpark as sawing someone’s head off with a knife (on camera as an act of terror.) Yet this man publicly equates water boarding to torture to the world on the MSM stage and equates the US with the terrorists. The ignorant and agenda driven swallow it- especially our European allies.
Not to mention, McCain is energizing our enemies with this rhetoric. Plus, Al Qaida is now training their operatives how to resist water boarding. It is very easy to resist and is in fact not torture at all, especially if you are aware of what it is and trained to resist it before it gets done to you. So that doesn’t work anymore. Thanks McCain. Now what do we do, say please a hundred times until they give in? (that is saying please for that long doesn’t cut into their dinner, prayer of pinball time)
Here is what water boarding is: (source http://people.howstuffworks.com/water-boarding.htm )
“Water boarding as it is currently described involves strapping a person to an inclined board, with his feet raised and his head lowered. The interrogators bind the person’s arms and legs so he can’t move at all, and they cover his face. In some descriptions, the person is gagged, and some sort of cloth covers his nose and mouth; in others, his face is wrapped in cellophane. The interrogator then repeatedly pours water onto the person’s face. Depending on the exact setup, the water may or may not actually get into the person’s mouth and nose; but the physical experience of being underneath a wave of water seems to be secondary to the psychological experience. The person’s mind believes he is drowning, and his gag reflex kicks in as if he were choking on all that water falling on his face.”
As I said before, once a person has been trained to resist it, it is not an effective interrogation technique because it is only psychological. Now don’t get me wrong, it IS like torture, not a walk in the park, but no one is injured and it is reserved by the most high value targets. It has only been used by US 3 times. Now think of the tragedy and sorrow and pain it has probably prevented. The US was very successful with it. But now it is useless against trained Al Qaida since it has been shouted from the rooftops by the MSM and the top R candidate. Again - thanks McCain.
Cavetrollhead Says:
17 February 2008 at 12:08 am.
I am actually in doubt about my own ‘facts’ here so if anyone can either correct me or back me up I would appreciate it. My main point is that McCain has been the worst kind of arrogant Maverick on this.
Cavetrollhead Says:
17 February 2008 at 12:32 am.
Now I feel I am spamming but this is a great one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JaxNm5poVE
(Glenn beck would pull the lever for Hillary) Interesting points here. Please give it a peek.
. . . still waiting for someone to trash me on the water boarding thing . . .
Stumpy Says:
17 February 2008 at 8:59 am.
I always wanted to pepper the earth but thanks anyway Cave. And thanks for yer spam. Like I always say - if it aint spam than it aint ham.
Jesse Says:
17 February 2008 at 9:08 am.
After reading everything that went on here yesterday this video was a perfect ending to it. Mitt had no choice but we aren’t in the same position he is. Even as a Ron Paul supporter I can see that. I don’t blame the man. If I wasn’t going to write in Ron I would definitely write in Romney.
Yup Cave, I’ve got a problem with water boarding. Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take a mile and it says no torture in the Constitution so I say let’s follow it.
Cavetrollhead Says:
17 February 2008 at 2:04 pm.
I can respect that Jesse. But the constitution doesn’t mention torture I don’t believe. Are you talking about cruel and unusual punishment?
If you are talking about cruel and unusual punishment- this isn’t a punishment. And these are prisoners of war, so I think the Geneva convention, or UCMJ of something else would be the governing law.
When I was in the military they gassed me with tear gas and I had no choice but to do it- unless I wanted to be up all night getting thrashed (exercised mercilessly instead of sleeping when you are already living on 5 hours of sleep) and have to endure more weeks of basic. Our intelligence officers get water boarded in their training. It seems to me that a terrorist can be expected to endure what we service men are. There is no injury and no risk of death. And if our servicemen are not given the full protection of the constitution, but rather the UCMJ, why should a terrorist enemy deserve better?
I think for people who blow up, kill, mame an inflict immeasurable suffering to innocent, civilian men women and children, this is an acceptable means if it prevents this suffering.
As pertains to this video, I just don’t think that a Presidential Candidate should be carrying on this debate before the world when it is sure to ignite passions against us.
But I will give you the slippery slope idea. It is a dangerous precedent.
Jesse Says:
17 February 2008 at 4:36 pm.
I was talking about cruel and unusual punishment. I know most people don’t think any rights should be given to non-Americans but I think they are founded on good solid reasoning. America needs to be an example to all countries for humane treatment. The show 24 really got people to get behind torture.
Roy Bischoff Says:
17 February 2008 at 7:36 pm.
I can’t draw a line between psychological torture and physical torture. I have noticed a trend in TV and movies that seems to try to get us to be sympathetic to torture. How many times have you seen this scenario? There is a really evil character that does really mean and nasty things and then you have a good guy, often in a position of authority, that uses just a little more (sometimes a lot more) force than what is necessary to apprehend the bad guy or get information from him and we are made to feel that justice was served.
The people in Hollywood also have the ability to get people sympathetic to criminals. For example I watched a movie about a jewel thief who hid his stolen object in a building under construction. When he gets away with his stolen property at the end of the movie, the audience is very sympathetic. This is part of the reason the Muslim people consider us the great Satan.
Okay, so I got way off the subject.
Cavetrollhead Says:
17 February 2008 at 7:49 pm.
Actually Jesse, I do think everyone should have the same rights. In a perfect world that would be the case. But can you imagine trying to give every prisoner of war a trial before his peers in order for him to remain captive? It is a logistical impossibility we could not survive a war like that. That is one of many examples of why we don’t necessarily afford foreigners constitutional rights -especially enemy combatants. It is a difficult task to just give US citizens constitutional rights. We don’t in all cases. The first big lesson I learned when I joined the Navy in 1985, is that I had no constitutional rights, but I was governed by the UCMJ. We haven’t even been able to secure constitutional rights for our own soldiers, sailors and marines. Why? War cannot afford it to us.
Idealism is not a working principle for all situations. Sometimes we have to choose the lesser of two evils. We get our hands dirty. That is the nature of war. We have to be guided by conscience rather than laws or principles, when the principle of the lesser of two evils is involved.
Hank Says:
17 February 2008 at 10:18 pm.
I don’t think we should give prisoners of war every Constitutional right but I think we should definitely not torture them. It would start a cycle that wouldn’t end until we all hit bottom on that slippery slope.
Mac Says:
17 February 2008 at 10:22 pm.
I don’t think waterboarding is torture unless it is overdone. You can go overboard with anything. We have to find a balance but we have to be able to get information.
Cavetrollhead Says:
17 February 2008 at 11:34 pm.
I am with you Mac. Torture is just a matter of degree. Every punishment or interrogation is a matter of inflicting discomfort or pain- psychological or physical. It is just a matter of degree. I am offended when we are compared to Nazis and Al Aida because we water boarded 3 times in the last 5 years. These diabolical killers suffered no physical injury and their interrogation was considered a success in saving lives and prevention much worse misery.
I am not 100% sure it is justifiable, but that is often case with any discomfort administered in punishment or interrogation -you aren’t even sure you got the right guy. War is an especially dirty, ugly, horrible thing. The lesson here is if you can’t bear the weight on your conscience, don’t go to war! I have little patience for those who authorized the war pretending they didn’t know how ugly it was gonna get. It’s WAR Senators and Congressmen!!!
I am also with you Hank- it is a slippery slope and we must be vigilant.
tony Says:
6 March 2008 at 4:01 am.
on the subject of torture…. would you call a spanking torture??
what if it was done with a belt for fifteen minutes?? none stop? that would be beating right?
it sounds to me like water boarding is a good way to get info… IF its not over done. its the whole line and balance thing.. there has to be limits.. but who gets to make the limits? …
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