12 February 2008
News and Comments - 02/12/08
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Matt Says:
12 February 2008 at 9:55 am.
I thought this was a weird article. I don’t back Paul but he has a right to run. His supporters are trying to make a statement. He hasn’t quit the race so why should he back McCain?
Ron Paul scales back hopeless effort, refuses to back McCain
He’s not really quitting. He’s not really suspending his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. He’s not promising victory, just to keep on keeping on. But, in effect, Rep. Ron Paul, at 72 the oldest candidate for president and the only GOP candidate to oppose the Iraq war, is facing reality.
In a statement to supporters on his website, first mentioned here early Saturday, Paul admits, “With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get.” In a new 14-minute campaign video, Paul says he wants to clarify some confusion
His campaign currently claims a total of 42, 1,149 shy of the total to win and some 650 behind the GOP leader, though other estimates give him only 16. He took third in Washington over the weekend and fourth in Kansas behind even Mitt Romney, who’d dropped out. Even if he won every delegate still available, Paul could not capture the party’s nomination in September in St. Paul, which is no relation.
Despite ridicule by other GOP candidates, despite getting significantly less time to speak during debates and, in one instance, even being barred from a GOP debate by Fox News although….
he’d collected more votes than those included, Paul repeated his vow not to attempt a third-party bid, which would drain priceless conservative votes from the party’s nominee. “I am a Republican,” he said, “and I remain a Republican.” He did say he’d be reducing staff and offices.
Now, whether the 10-term congressman with the libertarian ideals, actually endorses Sen. John McCain is something else. Paul has said we should bring overseas troops home and invest the saved money in fixing America; McCain has vowed to stay overseas, especially Iraq, as long as it takes for success.
This morning Paul told one of our sister newspapers, “I cannot support anybody with the foreign policy he advocates, you know, perpetual war,” said Paul. “That is just so disturbing to me.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/ron-paul-scalin.html
Cameron Says:
12 February 2008 at 10:34 am.
Like E.E. I am getting a little concerned about Obama. I am watching him mesmerize people and there is little substance. Notice in this article that one woman says that even though Obama didn’t have anything new to say that his speech enthralled her. Enthrall is an interesting word. When you actually listen to what he says, it is pure socialism. People talk about backing him but keeping a close eye so he doesn’t get away with much but if he enthralls the masses he will be able to do whatever he wants.
Women ‘falling for Obama’
12/02/2008 12:02 - (SA)
College Park, Maryland - You can see it in their flushed-face smiles and hear it in their screams. They say the phenomenon is difficult to describe, but once they experience it they tell their friends, sisters, mothers and daughters, and they come back for more if they can.
“He’s very charismatic. It was a ‘you-had-to-be-there’ kind of experience,” said Lolita Breckenridge, 37, after hearing Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama address a packed rally at the University of Maryland on Monday.
A dedicated supporter, she brought two of her friends to hear the Illinois senator deliver one of his much-talked-about speeches.
“Not too much of the speech was new to me,” she admitted. “But hearing him live…” she trailed off, shaking her head and grinning.
When Obama addressed the crowd of 16 000 on the eve of primaries which he is tipped to win in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, DC, he carried himself with his habitual worldly confidence, interspersed talk of foreign policy with recollections of his childhood and even poked political fun at his Republican adversaries.
He did not flinch when women screamed as he was in mid-sentence, and even broke off once to answer a female’s cry of “I love you Obama!” with a reassuring: “I love you back.”
The 46-year-old son of a white American mother and black Kenyan father repeated his platform of ending the war in Iraq, offering tuition credit for students and providing health care for all Americans, drawing repeated standing ovations during the hour-long rally. …
‘Party Like a Barack Star’
… fans held up signs that read “Barack My World” and “Party Like a Barack Star”. Afterward, supporters were eager to talk about the experience….
“John F Kennedy said we can never negotiate out of fear, but we can never fear to negotiate,” Obama said, vowing to shut down the US prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, end the war in Iraq as well as “the mindset that got us into war”.
For student Rachel Niederer, 21, it was Obama’s way with words that swayed her to his side.
“I love listening to his speeches,” she said.
Asked if she had any university friends who were backing Clinton, she answered: “My grandparents like Hillary. I don’t know anyone (my age) who does.” …
“Every time I hear him speak I become more hopeful and more sure that he would be the best president we could have,” she said. “He makes you feel like he’s talking to you especially.”
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2269063,00.html
Jesse Says:
12 February 2008 at 10:45 am.
Matt I am so glad you can see there is a problem. It is weird. To complain that one candidate isn’t supporting another is whack.
Cameron I am getting more concerned about Obama too. Here is what I think about him. He is a spoonful of sugar that is going to help the medicine go down. Socialism is the medicine and they will try to force it down one way or another. Obama’s smooth words and powerful persona will help the medicine slip right down the throat.
Jesse Says:
12 February 2008 at 11:18 am.
I know we shouldn’t try and force anyone to accept our point of view on dogma but I wanted to share part of this article. For those of you who don’t think any element of our government could have been apart of 9/11…fine. Here is the head electrical engineer of the twin towers. He doesn’t think the government did it either. But as a scientist he knows that the planes alone could not have brought down the towers. The science is overwhelming for any brave enough to look into expert opinion. So I have two points to make.
First, if you can’t believe a rogue element of the government could have been involved, maybe you could consider that Muslim extremist insiders could have planted internal explosives for this classic controlled demolition. This would blend hard science with your continued faith in our government.
Second point, if you read this (and there are hundreds of experts and/or first hand witnesses) and accept that a sane individual could maybe see there was something more that went on, even if you don’t agree, then maybe you won’t dismiss those of us who support Ron Paul quite so easily. Maybe you will stop calling us kooks. I apologize again for those who go overboard and give the rest of us a bad name. So here is the article:
Richard F. Humenn, PE was the Senior Project Design Engineer for electrical systems for the entire World Trade Center, and he had 60 people working under him. In other words, he was the guy in charge of all electrical at the WTC. A retired licensed professional engineer, he was certified by the States of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Washington, D.C.
Humenn stated to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:
On September 11, I watched the live TV broadcast of the progressive collapse of the World Trade Towers with disbelief, as the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel.
I viewed the presentation of Richard Gage and other related material, which compels me to believe that the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down. I, therefore, support the proposal to form an international group of professionals to investigate all plausible causes for the virtual freefall and the almost total destruction of the WTC structures.
Humenn also recently gave a two-hour recorded interview to an attorney and former law school professor (a transcript of the interview will soon be posted to AE911Truth.org). In that interview, Humenn expressed his opinion that the Twin Towers were intentionally demolished. (He stated that he could not believe the U.S. government could have done such a thing; however, he was not asked about rogue elements within the government).
Few engineers have as much first-hand knowledge of the Twin Towers as Humenn, so his opinion carries some weight. As he explains, “Though an electrical engineer by trade, I was also very familiar with the structures and their conceptual design parameters.”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/120208Towers.htm
Pickles Says:
12 February 2008 at 11:35 am.
Jesse I don’t think you are a kook. You seem very intelligent to me.
Cameron wrote about socialism and the article mentioned socialized health care. Our health care system would be such a mess if that happened. I figured we needed to lighten the mood here this morning so I copied a funny message about health care that still has some truth in the message.
MEDICARE COVERAGE IN A NUTSHELL
The phone rings and the lady of the house answers, ‘Hello.’
‘Mrs. Sanders, please.’
‘Speaking.’ ameron wrote about socialism and the article mentioned socialized health care. Our health care system would be such a mess if that happened. I figured we needed to lighten the mood here this morning so I copied a funny message about health care that still has some truth in the message
‘Mrs. Sanders, this is Doctor Jones at Saint Agnes Laboratory. When your
doctor sent your husband’s biopsy to the lab yesterday, a biopsy from
another Mr. Sanders arrived as well, and we are now uncertain which one is
your husband’s. Frankly the results are either bad or terrible.’
‘What do you mean?’ Mrs. Sanders asks nervously.
‘Well, one of the specimens tested positive for Alzhe imer’s and the other
one tested positive for AIDS. We can’t tell which is your husband’s.’
‘That’s dreadful! Can’t you do the test again?’ questioned Mrs. Sanders.
‘Normally we can, but Medicare will only pay for these expensive tests one
time.’
‘Well, what am I supposed to do now?’
‘The people at Medicare recommend that you d rop your husband off
somewhere in the middle of town. If he finds his way home, don’t sleep
with him.’
Cameron Says:
12 February 2008 at 12:00 pm.
That is a riot, Pickles. You were right, a laugh helps ease the mood.
E.E. Says:
12 February 2008 at 12:17 pm.
I don’t believe this. Rush just played a clip from Huckabee. Now he is finally attacking McCain for lots of specific liberal views. The same views that Romney pointed out and Huckabee called him a liar about.
Cavetrollhead Says:
12 February 2008 at 12:24 pm.
Huckabee is the consummate politician. It was only a matter of time.
Cavetrollhead Says:
12 February 2008 at 12:24 pm.
“If he finds his way home, don’t sleep with him” That was great Pickles.
The Realist Says:
12 February 2008 at 12:35 pm.
You are right CTH which is why I wanted Mitt. We need non-politicians for politicians.
E.E. Says:
12 February 2008 at 1:18 pm.
Rush sounds very worried about Obama and his liberal agenda. Joy I’m glad to see you back from wherever you went. I was curious what you think of this incredible phenomena of Barak. He is beginning to look unstoppable and it seems like all the young people want him.
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 2:01 pm.
E.E., that is a question I have been considering a lot the last few days. I rewrote part of the Introduction found below the icon at the top of the page. I touch on what I believe the problem is in a movement like what we see with Obama. It makes me sad to be concerned with him since I would love to see an African-American as president. I actually think he may have a good heart but a heart filled with very different values and core beliefs from mine. I would suggest you read the Introduction and then you can see how I feel about the phenomena of Barak.
Pickles Says:
12 February 2008 at 2:20 pm.
Thanks CTH.
Joy I read the introduction again. So are you saying that Barak would be a substitute center?
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 3:53 pm.
Yes Pickles. Societies always rotate around some center. When people sense that the center is weak, then they lose faith in it and look for a stronger center. At first, liberals saw Hillary as the figurehead for a big brother big government that would save them, make life easier and hold everything together. With the rise of Barak, they see a substitute figurehead that would not only be strong but be like a benevolent king. Obviously they prefer benevolence, especially when they are willing to hand over so much power and understand, at least on a sub-conscious level, that there is danger in that. Barak will calm those of fears with his gentle persona and mesmerizing speech.
The Realist Says:
12 February 2008 at 3:58 pm.
I don’t see that, Joy. Most people are disturbed that President Bush has so much power. They are afraid of a king figure.
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 4:01 pm.
If you read the new Introduction, you will see that what is taking the place of a desire for a king in our day, imo, is big government. A king to ancient societies filled the same role as big government does for us in our day.
The Realist Says:
12 February 2008 at 4:14 pm.
I went back and read your Introduction. This makes sense. You can see it. So our Constitution is our center, big government is their center because they are lazy and don’t want to do the work it takes to keep eternal vigilance. Without this our center weakens and feeling at loose ends the liberals try and replace it with big government. That is pretty cool. Where did you get this philosophy from?
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 4:30 pm.
Oh Realist, be careful what you ask me. I could do a really long blog to answer your last question. This is going to be hard but I will try and limit my answer to a couple of examples. Everything in nature and history testifies of truth. Once you begin to see a specific pattern, if it is true, you see the confirmation of it in almost everything you study. The atom, the solar system, the family unit, so many things show this pattern. What really helped expand my understanding of it was science.
I will tell you one of my favorite, powerful teachers regarding this pattern. It is physics. The electromagnetic field around the earth is created by the spinning of the earth’s outer crust around the solid, stable inner core. This dance of the rim of the wheel, so to speak, creates great energy that is kept ordered in control by the strength of the core.
Another and very different example would be my favorite hobby, Egyptology. In the Old and Middle kingdoms of ancient Egypt, the pharaoh was the center core. The pyramid was built for him but was understood to be the organization of a society that would last beyond death. It was up to the pharaoh to bring salvation to his people. They organized around him as their center point so the pyramid was important to everyone. Osiris, the god of the dead would save the pharaoh and he in turn would save his people as the god’s representative on earth.
With time, the democratization of Osiris occured. The same magical formulas for judgment and resurrection began to be written inside the coffins of worthy Egyptians so that they personally, could be saved by Osiris instead of relying on the pharaoh and the magical texts written on the walls inside the pyramid or in the book of the dead reposited with the mummy of pharaoh.
What this means is that instead of a powerful center government being the hub of the wheel, the god himself became the center, the core for every Egyptian to orbit around. I know we do not believe in Osiris, but the pattern is there. No wonder there is such a growing powerful struggle between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives put God and/or values and principles that stem from Him, at the center. These are represented in the political world by the Constitution which derived its values from Judaeo-Christian sources. Liberals have nothing to hold to so they are desperately trying to put a strong government in the center. Two completely different centers creates unbelievable tensions and a tug-o-war for our nation.
Pickles Says:
12 February 2008 at 4:39 pm.
So I got a question. My belief in the Lord is very strong and I know that it is with a lot of people. So how did the center core get weak?
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 4:51 pm.
Great question, Pickles. Thanks for asking. I am worried I am getting too long-winded but with questions I know where you want to go with things.
God doesn’t become weak, nor the values that come from Him. But it is up to us to keep Him or at least His values at our center. It is our focus and adherence to them that keep us dancing around Him like that outer crust. Keeping our eye single to the glory of God, especially in unity with others, creates a energy that empowers us to govern ourselves by His principles. If we move away and wander like sheep, His voice becomes weak because we moved.
Even people who do not believe in God but are wise enough to see the truth in the Constitutional principles, can help hold the center. God is so powerful that even His principles alone can help hold us. What is interesting is that those who hold that center are the ones that make it possible for non-believers to remain free to follow the dictates of their own conscience.
The Realist Says:
12 February 2008 at 4:53 pm.
This is exciting stuff Joy. Thanks for taking the time to explain it. No wonder there is such a battle and as people polarize to the two different centers it is getting so intense. How is this going to end?
E.E. Says:
12 February 2008 at 4:54 pm.
Hey you guys have been talking without me. This is fun stuff. What do you think is the difference between the two groups?
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:05 pm.
E.E., the difference is this; the center is held in place by mandate. If Americans overwhelmingly vote for Barak, he will have the mandate of the people that they want a strong center government and he will receive the momentum (power) to accomplish that task.
When so many Americans lost their faith in God, it was just a matter of time until they began losing their faith in His values embodied in the Constitution. They began speaking of a living breathing document. That was double talk for changing the laws to make it easier for them to live with their new set of values that accompanies humanist secularism which is fast becoming the new religion of modern man. It all comes down to faith, which Paul wrote as the first principle we must have. Without faith, we are not giving our mandate to God nor his values and it can no longer be held in place. People sense the lack of center, panick and believe that a strong government will give them back security they have lost.
It is the nature of man to want security. The natural man lacks faith, rebels against absolute truths, and demands the kind of government that will help them feel more comfortable in their personal choices.
Pickles Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:09 pm.
Joy what do you do, sit around thinking about this stuff all the time? Wow. So that is why liberals attack conservatives so viciously. They resent our center because they aren’t comfortable with God or his teachings. What about the Christians who are liberal? Why do they attack us?
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:10 pm.
I feel bad about doing all the answering here. I have an answer but I would rather hold it back for a bit and see if anyone else wants to take a stab at it.
Cameron Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:15 pm.
I’ve been just reading along so far but I’d like to take a stab at this. If we are the wheel and God or at least his teachings are the hub, we reach with our faith to connect and hold to him. Our faith is the spoke that holds the rim to the hub. If a liberal believes in God but puts socialist ideas above our God-given rights, then that liberal is trying to hold onto two hubs. And we know what happens when we try to serve God and mammon.
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:18 pm.
Good grief. I was going to say there were too many liberal ideas that go against Biblical teachings and something about how long will you halt between two masters. Cameron, you put it beautifully. Thank you and thank goodness I am making some sense.
And yes Pickles, I actually do sit around thinking about this stuff and studying. I am a very boring person.
The Realist Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:19 pm.
This isn’t boring it is very exciting and on point. I do not want Barak Obama as president.
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:21 pm.
Another question for you guys. Do you see why Mitt can’t be the end all for the Republican Party? Do you see that just because we have to wait four years for him to try again, nothing has fundamentally changed about what our job is?
Cameron Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:23 pm.
I’ll try again. If we don’t keep our eye on the ball, if we don’t do our job of eternal vigilance and lose focus, we lose our center. If we try and put Mitt in our center we are king makers. He can stand as a representative of the center but can’t be the center himself.
Pickles Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:24 pm.
Because the power has to come from the people and not Mitt. We are out there as the wheel and we hold onto something that won’t be out of office in four years.
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:26 pm.
You guys are brilliant. Yup, it takes work, constantly focusing and this is why most cultures can’t seem to get beyond a couple hundred years before they collapse. They get tired and want someone else to do the work, not realizing that if they do this, they actually change centers. Once a center is changed, the new center will not readily give up its place.
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:32 pm.
I’m not going to tell anyone what to do or how to vote. That is very personal and should be done from free will. I have decided that for me personally, my mandate must be given to someone with the right center or I will be held responsible for the consequences that happen if that person is elected. I believe it is vital to give a mandate so I have to decide on who represents that for me and vote for him, even if he is no longer in the race. I have to run now but thanks for the great questions and answers. It was fun.
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:34 pm.
I don’t know what just went wrong but a few comments disappeared from here. I checked my administration comments section and they are there but not here. Weird. Oh well, bye.
Pickles Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:42 pm.
That is so weird that my comment was there and then gone. I’ll try again. I thanked you Joy. Then I said I can’t wait to talk to my friends because I’m going to freakin blow their minds.
Pickles Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:42 pm.
There, now stay put 
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Carrie Says:
12 February 2008 at 5:47 pm.
This was so great and I actually understood it. I feel bad that most people probably won’t see this because it explains everything so well. In my church we believe it is very important that we believe in God if we want to be free. After reading things here I can finally understand why. I believed it before I just didn’t know the details behind it. I guess there is a lot science can tell us.
Jesse Says:
12 February 2008 at 6:04 pm.
YES! This is so important. Everybody needs to read this. It explains why Ron Paul supporters like me should be accepted by other conservatives. We are holding to the same center and that is more important than anything. If people are willing to let go of our center and move to a new one in order to win the war, they will make sure we lose the bigger war, which center we hold. I’m actually leaning to thinking it would be better to throw everything into it and hurry, win and get out but I don’t want to stay permanently. But I digress. I hope everyone sees how important the message of this site is. Without unity we can’t do it and we will get pulled against our will to the big gov center.
Peter Says:
12 February 2008 at 6:35 pm.
This wheel talk sounds like new age talk to me. It makes me a little nervous. Do Mormons teach this wheel doctrine?
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 7:11 pm.
Ancient wheel lore is found in most cultures. Pagans as well as Israel used the wheel analogy for various things. What the pagans seemed to do was take things from nature and their every day life to use to explain various concepts. Over time the analogy became worshipped instead of God. They would forget the power behind the concepts and focus only on the concepts. Mormons do not have any wheel doctrine, Peter.
Ghost Says:
12 February 2008 at 7:30 pm.
I hate missing out on these conversations while I’m working. This was amazing. I’ve never heard anything like this before but I love science and it sure makes sense to me. I wanted to add that from Roy’s article on the political spectrum, we know that there are some on both sides of the spectrum that want big government. We know McCain is there. My point is, we can’t group all conservatives as part of those keeping values as their center. And I am sure there are liberals who keep Christ in their lives with all their heart and do not know that big government takes away freedoms that God meant us to have. It doesn’t make them bad or mean they willfully choose evil. If we help spread these ideas, maybe we can help some of them to understand.
Jan W. Says:
12 February 2008 at 8:03 pm.
I’m going to jump in here too. This explains why even though Hucklebee is a good Christian, he doesn’t represent me politically. He just doesn’t understand this stuff. The compassion label tricks people. I had so many people telling me I couldn’t support Mitt because he didn’t have the same values as us. They really do not understand the word values. Mitt believes different but people do not have to see God the same way in order to still have the same values. Mitt is holding to the same center I am. It is based on true principles. That is why is was fine for me to support him. If I could just get this message across to other evangelicals I know, maybe we really can do this in 2012.
Sharon Anderson Says:
12 February 2008 at 9:16 pm.
When I saw that there were 42 comments here already I thought, “I don’t have time to read this,” but curiosity got the best of me so I read it all. Thanks, Joy and all of you who contributed to this great discussion!
Joy Bischoff Says:
12 February 2008 at 11:05 pm.
You are welcome, Sharon.
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