22 January 2008
Flip but no Flop
Posted by Joy Bischoff under: General; Judaeo-Christian Values Under Attack .
26 Comments so far...
T. Fan Says:
22 January 2008 at 7:27 pm.
I will admit that abortion and wondering if Romney changed for political expediency was one thing that made me nervous about him. I appreciate this blog. I am probably leaning more toward Romney than Ron Paul because of his ability to make things happen. I am afraid Ron Paul would have a hard time getting congress to work with him but Romney would be good at that seeing what he did at the Olympics. After reading this take on his abortion change, I am feeling better about him. Still wish good old Fred was still in it. Maybe he and Romney will team up but I worry that Fred wouldn’t be interested.
E.E. Says:
23 January 2008 at 12:23 am.
T. Fan
It looks like you are an independent thinker. We hope you will support Romney and bring your friends with you. The alternative is not good. He is the only one who can stop McCain. I have heard Mitt talk about his change on abortion and I can guarantee he is sincere and solid.
Joy Bischoff Says:
23 January 2008 at 9:35 am.
I want to thank my brother, Charles Castleberry for suggesting this post and in fact adding the best parts.
Cameron Says:
23 January 2008 at 10:54 am.
I noticed you changed the title. This is what gets me, Reagan changed on abortion but no one talks about that. Changing a position for good reasons isn’t flip-flopping. That video you showed with Joe Scarborough made me mad. Sure he sees the media bias but he said something about Romney flip-flopping every other day. They always say that but never tell all the stuff he is supposed to be changing about except abortion. And then they act like he used to be for abortion and make him out to be a liberal. I like how this blog explains that he was personally against it but had a strong belief in personal freedom. I haven’t heard it explained that way before but it makes sense because from what I hear Mormons have strong feelings about that. Except for Harry Reid probably but he seems like a fake Mormon from what I can see. Anyway, I think the press is always shouting about Romney flip-flopping because they can’t get him with anything else and that is a label that sticks with no evidence.
kristleberry Says:
23 January 2008 at 11:22 am.
I appreciate your thoughts on Romney. I completely agree with you on this matter. Months ago I was having a conversation with a friend about this topic and she said she wouldn’t support Romney because he is so wishy washy on abortion. I asked how and she said he was for it and now is against it. But, it all goes back to what you said, it’s all about freedom of choice and agency. I also thought it interesting how Romney explained during an interview he said he would hope his views on things would change, grow and mature having had the experiences he has in office. He said it would be a red flag to elect someone who is so set in their ways and has no open mindedness. I like Romney and think he’ll do a fantastic job leading this country! You sure said it well, Joy!
Jesse Says:
23 January 2008 at 12:48 pm.
I’ve got a complaint. The first bunch of blogs were more about the idea you are spouting of all people coming together no matter which candidate you are for. Now it all seems to be about Romney. I like the general idea of people working together if we are going to heal the nation but I don’t think Romney is the man to do it. I would just sign up for a Romney campaign site if I wanted so much of this. Don’t get me wrong, a little is okay, but try to even the playing field a little.
Joy Bischoff Says:
23 January 2008 at 1:01 pm.
Jesse, I have to say you are partially right. For the next two weeks, until super tuesday, we will be focusing more on Romney because the press is campaigning so hard against him. I know the press belittles Ron Paul too so feel free to send us a guest blog for consideration if you would like. You can also get friends to come and make more comments for Ron. As long as they do not belittle others, especially fellow conservative candidates, we will be happy to post them. Roy is going to blog on a subject this weekend that I think you will like.
kristleberry, thanks for the nice comments. I agree that it would be great to have a president not so close minded that he would refuse to change and grow. How refreshing that would be.
Jesse Says:
23 January 2008 at 1:06 pm.
At least you’re honest. I supported sending around your email about putting the press on notice because the general idea was right. I prefaced my email with a twist for my candidate though. I’ll look forward to Roy’s blog. I like what he did with the one on the Constitution. In fact that is why I registered here.
kristleberry Says:
23 January 2008 at 2:02 pm.
I agree that learning the facts about all of the candidates — good and bad — is worthwhile. I DO like many of Ron Paul’s ideas, and he is right where he needs to be… in the Senate, where he can champion healthcare and supplement freedom, etc. We NEED him there.
The problem is that the delivery of his ideas are too shrill and not acceptable to a large enough audience. Let’s encourage his boosters to encourage him to play to his strength, stay in the Senate and back Mitt! I know lot’s of GREAT, FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE who are backing Mr. Paul. That says a lot about the type of man he is.
kristleberry Says:
23 January 2008 at 2:10 pm.
Oops, I meant he needs to stay in the House of Representatives! Sorry, my mistake! 
E.E. Says:
23 January 2008 at 2:19 pm.
That’s okay kristleberry. You can make small mistakes as long as you keep spouting good thoughts. I agree about Ron Paul. The message sometimes gets lost in the delivery and a few of his supporters are obnoxious. That hurts people like our Jesse here and lots of other good people who support Ron Paul. As a fellow Romney supporter, I struggled a little with that idea but it really is true that our country is in trouble if we don’t learn to work together despite differences. That doesn’t come natural for me because I can get caught up in rooting for my guy like cheering for one team again another. If we stop seeing other Americans as enemies it will help.
Cameron Says:
23 January 2008 at 2:40 pm.
Hey E.E. - that sounds kind of like a lecture that I got around here and then later gave to you. Kind of funny.
E.E. Says:
23 January 2008 at 2:51 pm.
Yeah, so just like Mitt I am capable of learning. Just don’t tell my mom, she wouldn’t believe it.
Chuck C Says:
23 January 2008 at 3:12 pm.
I love the positive comments on this blog. I do believe that if we don’t all start pulling for someone like Mitt, we’ll end up being pushed by Hillary or John. I’d much rather pull forward with Mitt rather than be pushed back by the others. If I voted for Ron, I would be helping John!
E.E. Says:
23 January 2008 at 3:18 pm.
Welcome Chuck C. That’s exactly how I feel. Rush says that if you want to see who the true conservative is, watch who is being attacked. I know Ron Paul is attacked too but the numbers show that Mitt has a far better chance. We really need to stop the liberals.
Jesse Says:
23 January 2008 at 3:27 pm.
I don’t agree completely. I want to make a statement with my vote for Ron Paul. He follows the Constitution way more than anyone else running and I think that is the only thing that will save us. I’m looking at the long run and letting the Republican party know how I stand with my vote. I will say that I do appreciate not getting attacked here like I do on other forums by people that hate Ron Paul. I’ve been attacked by Romney people lots of times but never here.
Chuck C Says:
23 January 2008 at 3:50 pm.
Jesse, if I had a vote to throw away as a statement vote, I would use it on Ron Paul.
I have had dozens and dozens of emails from his supporters and I honestly do believe he is needed in the House to keep things in line there. Blog with your heart, but vote with your head, or we will have a John McCain or Hillary Clinton interpreting the Constitution for us - not to mention populating the Supreme Court with people you and I will be sorry about.
Carrie Says:
23 January 2008 at 5:18 pm.
I had a sister who wanted Duncan Hunter but I told her kind of the same you are saying Chuck C. I changed her mind but I didn’t change my brothers mind. Now that Duncan dropped out my sister is glad she changed to Mitt. My brother doesn’t know what he’s going to do.
Jesse Says:
23 January 2008 at 5:31 pm.
Chuck C. I am still going to back my guy but I do understand where you’re coming from and I respect your position.
E.E. Says:
24 January 2008 at 12:13 am.
I emailed this to a friend who has been struggling with the whole abortion thing. She said it helped a lot and makes her think she can support Romney. She just wanted to feel good about it as a strict LDS woman.
I’m glad you added the email so I can get some of this stuff around easier. Thanks.
Cavetrollhead Says:
26 January 2008 at 1:41 am.
It frustrates me how people refer to Kennedy vs Romney of 16 years ago. If your kids are voting for the first time, they were probably in diapers 16 years ago. As for his platform running for Governor in 2002, he both kept his promises to respect the laws on “choice” that existed in Mass, and managed to veto NEW pro-choice legislation. Mitt Romney so staunchly supported life as Governor that he received the “Massachusetts Citizens for Life “William D. Mullins Award: For outstanding political leadership.” That means he has been a solid pro-life advocate for more than 6 years. That means he flipped the right way and never flopped back. (like Ronald Reagan) By the way, in Massachusetts, he currently leads in the polls by 21 point and has above 50% of likely voters. (lets see if McCain is doing that well in his home state)
Cavetrollhead Says:
26 January 2008 at 1:45 am.
Hi Chuck. I want to issue my own heads up about Ron Paul. I know he is good on some things. But if we pull out of Iraq unconditionally, we will see mass slaughter in Iraq. Remember Viet Nam when we pulled with no exit strategy and millions were systematically slaughtered? Makes me shudder for the children.
E.E. Says:
26 January 2008 at 10:57 am.
That is fabulous information, Cavetrollhead. And welcome btw. I would love to see your abortion information posted so everyone sees it. So many people keep coming back to the issue of abortion. So many people accuse Mitt of changing his stance recently when he threw his hat in the ring for president. It just makes me so mad. Why aren’t we hearing more of this kind of thing?
Joy Bischoff Says:
26 January 2008 at 11:10 am.
Cavetrollhead, we are happy to have someone around who knows his stuff so well, especially on something this important.
E.E., I will make sure that someone adds that information in a blog. It is a subject with a lot of interest.
Chuck C Says:
26 January 2008 at 3:11 pm.
Hey Cavetrollhead, you are right on with the two comments posted above.
1. Mitt on abortion: during the debate with Kennedy he stated two or three that he held deep, personal beliefs on abortion, but that he would not force his beliefs on others. That does not sound like “Pro-abortion” to me, as he is being painted by the press. It sounded like a man who respects the laws of the land and personal freedom. But now, at a federal level, he will be able to do even more than he did in Mass. for life.
2. Ron Paul… actually, I did not share with Jesse all of my beliefs about Ron Paul. I like him acting like a feisty little mutt yapping at the heals of congress, especially about issues dealing with health care freedom. I say “Go Ron Go!” But when it comes to national and world security he is as blind as many Americans were prior to our entry into WWII. What did Ron Paul not learn from Chamberlain’s “Peace in our time” mentality? Let’s give tyranny and terror free rain anywhere in the world and focus only within our own borders. Sure, they killed thousands on 9/11 but if we leave them alone they might not do it again… for awhile, anyway. This approach to avoid evil did not work in the 30’s and 40’s and I believe the evil we face today is even more insidious. The elitists are acting foolishly and cowardly in my opinion and today are no more enlightened than Chamberlain, Kennedy, and the rest leading up to WWII. Ron Paul will not bring the world peace with his approach to world affairs.
Cavetrollhead Says:
27 January 2008 at 1:03 am.
Thank you for the warm welcome! And thanks for reading and commenting on my post. I am so glad to find a civil place to blog. Well Chuck we are on the same page I think. And E.E. , I will be sending in a guest blog on the subject soon. Thanks again!
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